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Then I will sue...

· Martin Thorborg

A lawsuit can cost far more than you imagine, in money, time and energy. That is why I worry when an entrepreneur says: I will just bloody well sue. It sounds like a quick way to get justice. My own experience has taught me that it can be a very long and expensive road.

I am visiting Denmark here in April 2010 and have just spent time with a friend who co-owns a business. Our conversation prompted me to raise the subject.

My friend has a problem with his partners

As my friend told it, his partners had forgotten to pay various bills and withdrawn money they should not have withdrawn to rescue some of their other businesses. It was a load of crap, and in the worst case he could end up saddled with debt.

That is obviously not much fun. We talked about what the hell you do in that situation. He was considering suing, which brought us to what a decision like that can actually entail.

I am not a legal expert and am not going to start advising people on the law. These are my thoughts based on things I have been through myself. Nor can I explain every step of a lawsuit precisely. But I know it is not as simple as calling a lawyer and waiting for the money.

A lawsuit is not a quick order for justice

I think many people imagine this: I have been wronged. I call a lawyer. Before long, I get justice and compensation. The other side pays the legal costs, and once the lawyer has had a little, I have my money back.

If that is how you are thinking, stop for a moment. In my experience, reality does not necessarily work that way.

Even before a case begins, the lawyer needs to understand what happened. You must explain the story, find documentation and supporting papers, and answer questions. Hours and hours can go into assembling everything before the lawyer can even assess whether there is anything worth pursuing.

And that time costs money too. In my calculation in the video, I mention DKK 15,000 to 25,000, which can quickly be spent before a case has even begun. Those are the amounts and the experience I am discussing here in 2010. Even if the assessment concludes there is no case, the work has still been done.

The lawyer is running a business too

Remember that a lawyer is also running a business. I am not saying most lawyers would pursue a case they do not believe in. On the contrary, I think very few would be that rotten. But you still need to remember that they make money from the work too.

If the assessment is that there is a case, more questions follow. Then you need to find even more evidence and information. That takes time and is a hassle for you too.

After that, there may be a lot of correspondence between the parties and their lawyers. I am not sure of all the legal terms or the sequence, but I have experienced how much back and forth there can be before anything is settled. Along the way, a settlement may be reached, or the case may turn out differently from what you imagined.

I mention two or three years as a length of time a case can easily take. That is not a timetable you can plan your business around. My point is that it can become a long period of uncertainty.

You can lose even if you feel you are right

You can be completely convinced you are right and still end up losing. Perhaps you have misunderstood something. Perhaps there are aspects of the case you had not considered. Perhaps the other side’s lawyer is better at presenting the case than your own.

Then you are left with your own bill and risk further costs. In the video, I discuss how, in my view, the total can end up at DKK 200,000, 300,000 or 400,000. That is my warning about the scale, not a quote for the cost of a particular case.

And even if you win, not all your expenses will necessarily be covered. I use the example of spending DKK 300,000 on your lawyer while being awarded a much smaller amount towards costs. So you can win your case and still be left with a large bill.

Then the money also has to be recoverable from the other side. What if they have no money, or the company you sued has gone bankrupt? That is also part of the financial question you should consider.

The uncertainty can affect the whole business

It is not just the money that can break you. Having a case like that hanging over your head for years can also be psychologically tough.

I also think about what a pending case can do to a business. A potential buyer may hesitate because nobody knows how it will end. A bank may be less willing to lend when an unresolved risk is hanging over the company. That can make the foundations of the business uncertain while you wait.

That is why my advice to my friend was: for heaven’s sake, try everything you can to avoid ending up in a lawsuit. Swallow your pride and see whether you can reach a settlement before it goes that far.

Of course, you should not put up with everything. But before making big declarations about suing, think carefully about what you want to achieve and what it could cost. Perhaps it is financially wiser to let something go and start something new. Perhaps you can swallow a bitter pill or two, even if the desire for revenge is strong.

I do not have a legal solution to every dispute. I have an experience I want to pass on: think very, very carefully before making a lawsuit your next big undertaking.

Best, Martin

Location:Rosenvænget,Stenløse,Denmark

Comments

  1. Så er du kommet til Danmark, og først af at, så er sportsvognen udskiftet med en lidt mere familie venlig størrelse.

    Interessant indlæg. Det er altid godt at høre en ærlig mening fra en erfaren herre. Det kunne jo komme nogen til gode. Jeg tænkte på en ide til et af dine fremtidige indlæg. Var det ikke noget at snakke lidt om hvordan man ansætter folk i en mindre virksomhed. Hvad siger dine erfaringer dig, og hvilke råd kan du give vide, i sådanne en situation.
    Ellers utrolig interessant indlæg med Stefan Rosenlund Nielsen. Der kommer lige en kommentar på det indlæg på et andet tidspunkt.

  2. Ja, det er et meget tungt retssystem vi har i Danmark. Jeg har prøvet at anlægge sag og det var dyrt, selvom jeg fik ret. Så helt klart, man skal nøje overveje om det er ulejligheden og pengene værd, hvilket det meget sjældent vil være.
    Husk nu Martin: Du er i Danmark så ikke noget med at holde telefon/kamera i hånden når du kører 😉 – det koster også og så kan du overveje om du vil lægge sag an mod staten… (ironi kan forekomme)

  3. Martin har helt ret – det koster mange penge, men det vigtigste forhold er, at det koster alt for meget psykisk energi at køre en sag, Derfor: Søg forlig, indgå det hurtigst muligt og kom videre !
    At føre sagen koster alt mange penge, tager for lang tid, kræver for meget arbejde og vil dræne dig for kostbar energi som du bør bruge på f.eks. forretningsudvikling.

  4. Jeg er enig at det koster rigtigt mange penge og tid men nogle gange kan jeg også blive gal over at nogen tror man ikke vil gå hele vejen med en retsag og derfor "snyder" en.Så vi skal endelig ikke gøre "ingenting" for så vil der være endnu flere derude som tror at de kan gøre hvad de vil.

  5. god rådgivning "’min gamle chef (og det er eddermanemig mange år siden)sagde – Niels læg aldrig sag an medmindre det gælder liv eller død – og det har jeg aldrig glemt. Så Martin – glæder mig at du også har lugtet lunten.

  6. Jeg tror jeg en dag laver et blogindlæg om hvordan man hyrer og styrer en advokat. For du har ret så langt – advokater er som tveæggede sværd. Hvis ikke man har muskler nok til at holde sværdet over hovedet, så kan det gå alvorligt ud over frisuren.

    Anyway, having said that, så er nogle mennesker er ude for pædagogisk rækkevidde, og andre gange er man uenig og aner simpelthen ikke hvem som har ret. Der er retssager fantastiske. De er "reality checks".

    Jeg har alt for mange gange afskrevet tab i stedet for at føre sagen – men nu er jeg blevet over 40 og har tabt bunker af penge på tidl samarbejdspartnere, kunder, leverandører og ventures.

    Jeg har startet en ny stil: Sagsøg! Og det må jeg sige virker (bl.a. fordi jeg har en fantastisk advokat). Jeg begynder nu så småt at vinde sager og kradse penge ind jeg ellers har afskrevet. Men jeg sagsøger for at få en 3.mands vurdering – ikke for at opnå en konflikt. Men det er da rigtigt at hvis man kan lave et forlig er det meget bedre.

    Mognes Glistrup sagde jo de vise ord:
    "Lad bare tosserne slås – uanset hvem som vinder, tjener sagføreren penge"

  7. Hej Thorborg.
    Jeg synes engang at have læst, at du engang har ejet en del af Connery. Kan det passe? Ikke fordi det har noget med sagen at gøre – blot et interesse spørgsmål.

    Mvh.
    Casper.